“Do what you need to do, scared or not, knowledge or not. We live in an information world now; you can find out how to do anything. Practice makes perfect. When you put those two things together, and you continue to push, there’s nothing that’s going to stop you.”

~ B. Danielle Watkins

Dr. B. Danielle Watkins did not set out to become an award-winning filmmaker and network executive. She had a double major, a plan to become bilingual, and a clear path into school psychology. Film wasn’t the destination — it was what kept happening anyway.

Her first published piece was a poem submitted to an anthology at 15, during the early days of the internet when parents weren’t exactly monitoring their kids’ online activity. Her first book deal came only because a childhood friend pushed her to submit a manuscript she assumed would be rejected. By the time she left corporate America in 2020, she’d already written five books and made movies on the side. She just hadn’t recognized it as a career yet.

What Building in Film Actually Costs

The film industry is collaborative in a way that writing novels never is, and Danielle learned that the hard way. A casting collapse on one project drained her finances and forced her to call a distribution company and return what was left of their investment — a conversation she describes as dehumanizing, made heavier by being a Black woman in a white male-dominated industry.

Her biggest career obstacle, she says, isn’t funding or access. It’s unprofessionalism — other people not taking seriously what is, for her, a livelihood.

Betting on Yourself When There’s No Safety Net

When the YouTube web series boom created real opportunities for independent Black creators, Danielle cashed in her 401k to film Season 1 of 3030 — a show she made with her best friend, her ex, her cousin, and every resource she had. It became the #2 show on the Reverie network in its first year and made her the first Black woman to write, star, and produce in an original network series.

She’s not done. She’s currently running an AI animation studio, preparing to release a new book, Boss Babe Besties, and developing multiple live-action and scripted projects.

Her advice for anyone trying to build something: you don’t need to feel ready. You need to move anyway. “Do what you need to do, scared or not, knowledge or not. There’s nothing that’s going to stop you. Period.”

Episode Highlights:

03:38 Meet Danielle: Background and Early Journey

07:09 Transition From Corporate America to the Entertainment Industry

10:48 Challenges and Obstacles in the Entertainment Industry

14:12 Navigating the Publishing World

17:31 Inspirational Projects and Achievements

21:16 Future Projects and Upcoming Work

24:49 The Importance of Pushing Through Fear

28:06 Connect with Danielle

Resources:

📖 The Adventures of Harold from the Hood Book Series: 

🚙A Trip to the Park: https://bit.ly/40Lvv6h

🤝🏽Friends Like Different Things: https://bit.ly/4ocAQxq

🍟 Fun Time Lunch Time: https://bit.ly/4odUCJ1

😤 When I Feel So Annoyed: https://bit.ly/4l6WSPt

Meet Danielle:

Danielle Watkins is a two-time bestselling author, internationally award-winning filmmaker, and actress making history at the intersection of Black and LGBTQ+ storytelling. A Buffalo, New York native and graduate of HBCU Winston-Salem State University and The Los Angeles Film School, she became the first and only African American filmmaker to write, produce, and star in a REVRY original series (3030) — and the first to have her work showcased at Cinema Systers, the first all-lesbian film festival in the United States.

With films streaming on Peacock, Prime Video, and Apple TV+ and reaching audiences across more than 100 countries, Watkins has built a truly global footprint. Her LGBTQ+-centered film The Calling premiered on NBC’s Peacock network; her field-producing credits include TV One’s top-rated true crime series Fatal Attraction, and she now serves as Vice President of Media and Film at Squirrel Vision TV. A Woman in Media award winner, Rising Star honoree, and International Impact Author Award recipient, she is one of the most versatile and sought-after voices in independent film, television, and literature — and she is just getting started.

 

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Quotes:

02:01 “There’s a lot more to it than just what they see as a finished product. There’s always a story behind how people get to where they’re at.” —Dr. Jim Price 

07:29 “Sometimes, you don’t know where life is going to take you, even though you may have a plan, and then you end up doing something else.” —Dr. Jim Price

12:21 “When you do go through a lot of adversity, those are the times that you’re able to understand not just about yourself, but you understand more about the industry, and also grow from those situations too.” —Dr. Jim Price

17:41 “You’ve got to keep learning, you’ve got to keep growing— those are two things that never stop.” —Dr. B. Danielle Watkins

24:24 “The things that we endure, but we still show up for the job. We still tell the stories, we still make sure that the audience feels seen, despite what we may be going through.” —Dr. B. Danielle Watkins

25:52 “People sometimes don’t understand their blessings, or how they’re blessed, because they’re so focused on the negatives.” —Dr. Jim Price

30:02 “Do what you need to do, scared or not, knowledge or not. We live in an information world now; you can find out how to do anything. Practice makes perfect. When you put those two things together, and you continue to push, there’s nothing that’s going to stop you.” —Dr. B. Danielle Watkins

transcript:

Dr. Danielle Watkins: Do what you need to do, scared or not, knowledge or not, because we live in an information world now, you can find out how to do anything. Practice makes perfect. So when you put those two things together and you continue to push, there’s nothing that’s going to stop you, period. 

Jim Price: Hello, I’m Dr. Jim Price, and welcome to The Purpose and Progress Podcast. This is the place where we explore how purpose can guide our actions, and how growth can become a part of our everyday lives. On the show, I talk with amazing guests, from educators and creators to everyday people with extraordinary stories about the challenges they face, the lessons they’ve learned, and how to keep moving forward. My goal is to share conversations that inspire you to live intentionally, embrace growth, and take meaningful steps to your own purpose. Let’s get started.

Hello, I’m your host, Dr. Jim Price of The Purpose and Progress Podcast show. And today, we are all about inspiring people, motivating people, having people wanting to do better, feeling like they can do better. And today, we have a wonderful guest on our show that is going to inspire and share her story. Such a wonderful, fabulous guest we have today, Dr. B. Danielle Watkins is here with us today. I’m just so blessed and honored to have you be a part of the podcast, and thank you for being a part of the show.

Dr. Danielle Watkins: Thank you. Thank you for having me. I’m always honored when somebody wants to talk to me, so thank you.

Jim Price: Our audience is always curious. I know sometimes, people will see the finished product of something, they see the things that are happening in the current state, and they don’t always understand that there’s a lot to it. There’s a lot more to it than just what they see as a finished product. There’s always a story behind how people get to where they’re at. Today, we’re going to kind of hash into that, get into that a little bit, and be able to have the audience know more about you. But before I do that, of course, I have to give your accolades to your award-winning writer, director, producer and network executive, Squirrel Vision Network Television, where you are the executive director, and also Dream N 1 Productions CEO and best-selling author. I didn’t want to leave all that out. 

Has a clear indication with who, we got some people doing great things and stuff, so I definitely want to make sure I didn’t leave that out. But a lot of times, people don’t always understand. They see the finished products, but they don’t understand how the work, the body of work that takes to get to a lot of times where people are at. And today, we want to inspire people and have them be able to know you, not just as a best-selling author and all the things you do with production, media and things, it’s the backdrop of all that, and the things that inspired you to kind of go in the direction you’re going. Because I’m sure a lot of our viewers are out there who maybe aspire to do a lot of things that you’re doing, and it’s always good to have somebody who has been there through, been through the trenches of going through everything, and got to the success, the level of success that you have. So one of the things I was going to ask in terms of everything, when do you feel like your journey started? What influenced that in that way?

Dr. Danielle Watkins: When do I feel like it started? I love doing interviews where the questions are different. I like that. When do I feel it started compared to when it started is two totally different things, right? So I feel like I didn’t get started for real on my journey until I left corporate America. But if we start there, that’s 2020. By then, I had already written five books. I had already made movies. I had already done all these things, so it’s almost crazy to say it didn’t start till 2020. The first time I was published was in 2000 when I was 15. So if we start back then, we say my journey started when I was a child. But at that time, I didn’t recognize, I didn’t know this was something I wanted to do, I didn’t know it was something my heart desired, I didn’t know it was my purpose, I didn’t know any of it. I grew up in Buffalo, and it’s called a buffalo in the winter. You don’t go outside, you don’t spend a lot of time frightening and fellowshipping in the winter in New York. So I spent a lot of time writing to pass the time, and that was from when I was young, like a little girl writing books, writing plays, and just doing stuff, because I was growing up alone. They’re 10 years older than me. So by the time I was old enough to play and do all these things, he wasn’t even there so I grew up by myself, and that’s between writing, and playing video games, and playing barbies. That’s how I spent my time. And even being published, that wasn’t necessarily on purpose.

Dr. Danielle Watkins: 2000, we’re talking about the beginning of the worldwide internet being in people’s homes, and people not really monitoring their children. Because I’m there on the internet in my room, and I found the anthology that I was published in, and I submitted my poem that I had written when I was in 7th grade, and it got accepted to the anthology. So then I had to go explain to my parents, hey, I don’t quite know what I did, but it’s gonna cost us 59.99 to get the book.

Jim Price: That’s okay. When you’re on that journey, make those sacrifices, do what you got to do on that journey.

Dr. Danielle Watkins: But I think my father was the one that was just kind of like, mother was like, I’m not buying that because I don’t know what that is. But my father was like, we get it. We’re gonna get it. So then, I’m in this book, and then I didn’t think about it anymore. My first novel wasn’t published for another 11 years. I didn’t know. When I say I had no clue, I am the poster child for God ordered my footsteps, for sure, because I was going to be a school psychologist. The entertainment industry is insane.

Jim Price: Wow. So that was your first, you really were thinking about psychology school.

Dr. Danielle Watkins: I have a double major from Winston-Salem State in North Carolina in psychology and elementary education. And then my goal was to become bilingual because I was living in Las Vegas. I was going to go get another degree in international studies with a specialization in Spanish because of the demographic in Vegas, and go into the school system, and be a school psychologist. That was my plan. I had done the HBCU thing. I had joined the Divine Nine Sorority. I had done all the things, so that now, I could be an educator. I never made it. Never made it. I’m so happy, though. My little cousin is one. I’m so excited that there’s somebody that did it. But yeah, I didn’t make it.

Jim Price: Wow. It’s always like sometime, you don’t know where life is going to take you. Even though you may have a plan, you end up doing something else. I totally wasn’t thinking about education either, and kind of just happened. And even with the book stuff with my stuff, it kind of just materialized so I can understand. You have one thing going on, you have a path going on that you’re thinking you’re gonna go on, and those things change. You never know. Divine timing is about everything. And sometimes, the path that you think you’re on is not where you’re gonna end up. You still end up helping people in the bigger picture of things. You still end up helping people so much. That’s inspirational. People do that. It’s kind of a circle of life, you figuring out things. Especially when you’re younger, you’re trying to figure things out and go through all the rigors of understanding self-identity and all these things while you’re trying to forge a path of what you’re gonna try to actually do in life. You know what I mean?

Dr. Danielle Watkins: Exactly. So it’s like, boom. This is the life I’m gonna live. Okay, cool.

Jim Price: Thank you for sharing that. What do you feel are some obstacles that you face throughout your journey to get to where you are today? What do you feel were some of the obstacles that you faced in terms of your journey?

Dr. Danielle Watkins: Every journey isn’t straightforward. Everything goes like this, everything has an up and a down, and an up and a down. There’s been so many what we think would be blockades. I remember one show we were working on, I was in Atlanta. I wasn’t living in Atlanta yet, and flew to Georgia, and we had cast someone who unfortunately could not sustain what it took. She was comparing herself to the actor, she was really beating herself as a result of that. We lost a lot of money. And then trying to recoup, recast and reshoot, all the things put me in a position where I had to, not pay my rent. You know what I’m saying? And sitting in the house, I have put every money, every dime I have into trying to save a project that could not be saved. And now, they’re knocking on my door saying, what are you gonna do? Things like that happen. Those were the type of obstacles, because film is collaborative. Writing novels is not. When I was strictly writing novels, that’s all for me. When you move into film, there’s so many different layers, and there’s so many different things. And if that machine does not move together, there is no project. There have been several moments where we’ve had to sit down, and I’ve had to sit down and make real-life decisions in real time. I said all that to say that the biggest hurdle that I face in my career is the lack of professionalism. And that really can put you in a situation where your livelihood is on the line because somebody else didn’t take it seriously. As a full-time, this is my job.

Jim Price: Exactly. This is how you make your bread, making your paper, your bills.

Dr. Danielle Watkins: And to have to get on a phone call, this is another situation, and to have to call the distribution company who has given you thousands and thousands of dollars, and call them to say, we spent half your money. We’re not gonna finish this project, and I’m gonna send you the rest back. That is a very dehumanizing feeling when you’re already black, you’re already female in a white male dominated situation. And now these are the phone calls and conversations I have to have because there are other people who just simply do not take it seriously. My biggest hurdle out of everything that has happened, and trust has not been easy, has been dealing with unprofessional people.

Jim Price: A lot of the essence of the things you do see, a lot of that in the industries too where the level of professionalism is not up to par and up to standard to what the expectations of whoever has the positions, you see that in a lot of the different settings. It’s unfortunate that those things happen. I always say that when you do go through a lot of adversity and stuff like that, a lot of times, those are the times that you’re able to understand more about not just yourself, but you understand more about the industry. You grow from those situations too. Helps you grow stronger so that when you move forward, you’re even more equipped to be able to deal with the obstacles and challenges that come about, and stuff like that. I think a lot of times, people overlook those experiences. Even with the publishing, I’m sure you know. When you came out and published your first book, I’m sure, like myself, I didn’t know anything about marketing promotion, anything like that. How did you navigate that when you published your first book and had it published? It’s like, okay, I got my book published. Now what? 

Dr. Danielle Watkins: Honestly, the only reason I got my first book deal is because I had written a story in college. One of my friends from Buffalo was making movies. I was on the phone with him. We grew up together, and he was like, man, I need another story. I got a story. I’m not gonna do anything with it so let me send it to him. And he calls me and he’s like, I’m not doing this. And I was like, you had to be rude. If it wasn’t good, you could have just said that. What are you calling me for? No, you need to publish it before I do anything. I’m like, it’s not even written for that. Just do what I want you to do. So I honestly sent my package to that first publishing house with the anticipation they were going to reject it so I could say to him, see, they don’t want it, so do what you got to do. And then I got a book deal. I was like, oh, my god, what am I gonna do with this? And then the deal that I ended up signing was I had 12 months to write two more books to finish the story because that particular one was so short. They were like, well, is there more to the story? We’ll take this one, but you need two more. So then I committed to that, not even wanting to be a writer. All of that, I had to figure out selling. And selling three books in a year, writing and all the things, I was like, oh, okay. Sure. I had my first book. I hadn’t even physically touched it yet, and one of my friends called me in California. Her girlfriend was getting ready to do an expo and she was like, you want a booth for your book? So here I am making up order forms because I don’t even have the book yet. That’s how quick it was. I’m sitting there at a table with a blow up of the poster and everything selling books that I ain’t even seen yet. It was kind of just like jumping head first into it, and just figuring it out as I went.

Jim Price: Definitely for me it is like that too. More like a learning as I go kind of experience. As you learn now, you get more tools in your pocket as you’re moving along, learning these things.

Dr. Danielle Watkins: Oh, absolutely. Now, it’s a whole different deal. I got a book coming out, end of the month, a whole different scenario. But that first one was just kind of like the same way I started it, is how I continued it. It was just like, okay, well, I’m here now. Well, what does it look like?

Jim Price: I always say that sometimes, you just kind of float and go, enjoy the journey. Enjoy the journey of how things are progressing and opening up into the doors to be able to do so many different things, collaborate with so many different people, industry wise and stuff like that. All those things are important for growth. On The Purpose and Progress Podcast, we’re talking about purpose, we talk about progress and things of that nature. All that resonates totally with the idea of how we go these paths, and try to figure out ways to navigate things even when we do face hurdles and obstacles. We allow those experiences to help us grow stronger and prepare us for future things and stuff. That’s definitely inspirational.

Dr. Danielle Watkins: Honestly, if you’d have asked me then what I would be where I am now, I’d have thought that you were absolutely insane. I’d have been like, no, not doing that.

Jim Price: And that’s how it goes. It’d be like that. If somebody would be like, oh, no. Even being in high school, I wasn’t ever thinking about being what I am now. I wasn’t even thinking about that. I got a little gray on top. It’s part of the circle of life and stuff. Grow and nurture yourself, and expand. Enjoy the journey.

Dr. Danielle Watkins: And then you look back on it, and you say, oh, my god. You look back on it and you’re like, wow. Reality is we ain’t even at the top, we still going. So it’s just like, wow.

Jim Price: Growth never stops.

Dr. Danielle Watkins: It’s like learning. You got to keep learning, you got to keep growing. Two things that never stop.

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Jim Price: I also want to ask, what projects or achievements have been most dear to you? What projects or achievements that you’ve already done have probably been most dear to you?

Dr. Danielle Watkins: The first one I’ll say is that right there, 30 30. My show 30 30, my best friend from high school, she’s been my best friend since we were 16. She’s in the military now, so she had been overseas at the time, and she came home. And one day, we were on the phone for hours just talking about things from when we lived together and stuff like that. She was like, since we should make that a show, and I was like, where will I got money to make a TV show? I have made movies. I had done things, but I wasn’t thinking about the level in which what was getting ready to happen. So we talked about it again, and I was like, all right. Let me take a couple of things that happened to us, and we’ll do a six episode season with shorter episodes. Let’s just see. Because at the time, what was going on was the YouTube boom was happening, and web series were a big thing, especially in a black lesbian community, it was a big thing. And YouTube, they were getting logo deals, and they were getting literal deals from YouTube. I said, okay, let me just see. I cashed in my 401K. That’s called investing yourself, right? I ain’t got no choice. It gotta work. Because now, I don’t have a retirement fund. So cash in my 401K. We take off two weeks, she gets leave from the military, and we film season one. 

My documentary parallel had gotten into a film festival in LA. And the network that the show started on, REVRY, contacted me, and they were taking the documentary from the film festival. I said, well, we just made a show. Do y’all want to see it? And they picked up the show, so that made me the first black woman to write, star and produce in a REVRY original series. So when that happened, and then we got a season two because we ended up being the number two show on the network in our first year, and then I was able to do that. 

My other best friend is the director. So now, this is a project where I’m, when I say all hands on deck, all of my friends. My ex did the theme song. My cousin is one of the cameramen. I brought every resource that I had together to create this thing. And then season two, we got to go on tour. Sarita was deployed at the time, so we had to do that without her. And to go to these different cities, people who did not know us show up and be excited to see us was something that was, and I remember in Sacramento, this woman, I know she was like at least 20 years older than me, she was so happy to see me. I have the picture downstairs, she wanted me to kiss her on the cheek, and she just turned beet red. Right now it is very popular in London. It’s on a network over there. And even now, it’s on YouTube, and we get comments where people say, I was not okay, and I was able to laugh because I watched this. 30 30 was important to me because of who I did it with, and what it was able to achieve. That was very big to me.

Jim Price: Inspirational stories are always able to uplift communities, families and things of that nature. Your story is definitely one of inspiration and motivation. Our audience today is very appreciative of all your words of wisdom, understanding, and being open with sharing your story, the way you are and stuff like that. I always say that people don’t know the backdrop of everything, they always need a finished product, but never the work that it takes behind the scenes to get where you’re going. But another question I wanted to ask you is, what future projects will you have coming out, or that are being worked on currently with you? What future products, or upcoming projects, or anything like that are in the works for you coming up?

Dr. Danielle Watkins: Currently, I actually just started an AI animation studio. Me and my business partner just started that where we’re doing vertical series on social media. We should be getting ready this week to release our fourth episode. It’s called My Girlfriend’s Girlfriend. The new trend in the industry are these two-minute social media clips that just, the attention span is changing, right? People are sitting down watching movies. But at the same time, they’re spending a lot of time on their phones. I also have written two live action verticals as well that my production company itself is getting ready to film, put out and start doing that. My romance thriller, we’re working on distribution for that. We just got it, and we just had a premiere this year for it. We just did a screening in Providence, Massachusetts, actually, last week.

Jim Price: Oh, got it.

Dr. Danielle Watkins: We actually just did a screening there during, I think it’s called Women of Color Weekend. We just had a screening there. Like I said, my new book is called Boss Babe Besties. It’s really me and my best friend/business partner. Just us talking about the last 10 years. And like you said, people don’t really know. They don’t know when you’re homeless They don’t the things that you’re going through and fighting, and her having breast cancer, and her father, just the things that we endure, but we still show up for the job, we still tell the stories, we still make sure that the audience feels seen despite what we are going through. That comes out at the end of this month. I have a lot going on. I have to look at my board. I have to write some stuff. I have another novel I need to outline. I have three movies up there I need to write. A lot is happening. 

Jim Price: It’s always good to stay busy especially when you enjoy what you’re doing. Sometimes, people will be like, I go to work, but it’s not fun. But when you’re working on things that are actually fun, and that you have a passion for, it makes it a fun experience.

Dr. Danielle Watkins: I have been blessed. I don’t know anything about, when I was working for the county in Nevada, I didn’t go to work, and hated work. I wasn’t invested in it. That was simply an avenue at that point to push through what I was doing, which was writing and all those different things. I did what I was supposed to do, and then I was able to go home and write, and make movies on the weekends, and do things like that. I have no idea what it’s like to be that type of miserable. I am blessed. I don’t know what it’s like at all.

Jim Price: And that’s what it is. I always say, people sometimes don’t understand their blessings, or how they’re blessed because they’re so focused on the negatives that are happening in life. They forget to think about, hey, I am blessed with so many of these aspects of my life. People get so streamlined, focused on the negative things in their lives, that they forget all the blessings that are happening. They forget that there’s people in a lot less fortunate situations than what that person currently is, and that definitely holds true in a lot of people’s lives. It is a lot to digest. I’m hoping our viewers can see how we connect these aspects of ourselves. In that way, we are learning, growing, nurturing, becoming better people each day, and just focusing on those aspects of our purpose and where we want to go. You never stop growing and learning in life, and that should always be the drive to continue to strive to be better and do better. And stories like yours are definitely inspirational in that way. I want to know how our viewers can connect with you, get connected to your content,  books and all that stuff. How can our viewers contact you?

Dr. Danielle Watkins: To be able to see everything? Go to my website. My website, which is currently being updated because I have to do it once a year. My sorority sister does my website. And if not, she’d be working for me every day, all day. She does one bulk update for me, but my website is bdaniellewatkins.com, and that’s gonna show everything. Every movie I’ve ever made, short film, feature film, that’s where it is. They all have links to them. Go on my website, click on the poster and go straight to the show, straight to the movie. My books as well, you can click on there and it’ll take you straight to be able to purchase. It shows my coaching flyer in case somebody needs a writing coach, the services that I freelance for. Things written and things like that, all of that is on there. More about me, the organizations that I’m a part of are there like Women in Media, things like that. My website would be the hub for everything. But I do have Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, LinkedIn. I do not have TikTok. The world hates me for it, but I do not have a TikTok. Don’t get on X either. But if you type in my name, B Danielle Watkins, Facebook will not let me change it to Doctor when I get my PhD, though. But Instagram does have it. But if you type in B Danielle Watkins, I’ll come up. 

Jim Price: Thank you for sharing that. Like I said, viewers, please reach out. A close-out kind of inspirational thing in terms of inspiring and motivating others, what would you say is probably a thing to focus on in terms of making progress and moving towards your purpose in that way? What would you say would be probably an important point for you, for our viewers to be able to gravitate?

Dr. Danielle Watkins: What has worked for me is I don’t believe that I can’t. I don’t know if that’s a naive thing or if that is super confidence because I don’t feel I’m either. But there’s nothing that I walk into, like I said, I published a book, and I tried to do it and got rejected. But at that moment, there’s nothing in me. Everything that comes up, I’m going to figure it out. I’m going to figure out a way to do it, scared or not. You got to move through fear. Fear does not hold any weight in my world. Even right now. We got to re-edit one of my movies, and that’s frightening. That’s frightening for someone to have said, hey, it ain’t good enough. It can be. So what do you need to do to get there? That would be my thing. Do what you need to do, scared or not, knowledge or not. Because we live in an information world now, you can find out how to do anything. Practice makes perfect. So when you put those two things together and you continue to push, there’s nothing that’s going to stop you. Period.

Jim Price: Absolutely. That is so wonderful. How you connect and put that all in perspective in terms of facing your fear, especially a lot of people are so fearful of things, fear from change, and fearful to go forward. Take a leap of faith and try something different. Go outside the box at your comfort level in that way. Such motivational words. It’s been a pleasure, absolute pleasure, and a blessing to have you, Dr. Watkins, on The Purpose And Progress Podcast show. You definitely shared a lot of jewels in this interview that’s going to definitely inspire a lot of people to change and stuff like that. Tune in for future episodes, and check out all the content, all the books, please. And make sure you always stay in your purpose and keep that progress. Growth never stops. See you next time. 

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